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it's easy

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what's up jay how are you today

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hey buddy how are you doing i love the

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song you sent me a song yesterday that i

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thought was going to be the intro song

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for today and you totally switched it

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out and i love that song and i love this

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song i think they're both great it's

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nice to see you buddy

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yeah nice to see you too yeah i was i

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was digging like the kind of i wanted to

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go for like almost like a

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black keyz johnny cashy kind of

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yeah i don't know if i accomplished it

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but that's what i was going for i like

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the swampy nighttime reverb in there

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it's great that's a better way of

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putting it swapping night time see for

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for those of you in the chat um that

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don't know like

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sean and i we talk about

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ufology and the phenomenon plenty we

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also talk about intro music quite a lot

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you know that's definitely

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yeah it's i don't think about it

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of course you do yeah so

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yeah you guys have no idea i mean you

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probably do the regular listeners they

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they have a decent idea of how much time

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you put into the interest but it's great

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to see you man we did yeah good to see

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you too dude we had two amazing shows

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last week we did right back-to-back it

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was an incredible

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book ending of a day um yeah and uh and

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here we are again and we've got a great

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guest uh who needs to go to work about

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halfway through the up so

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we should bring them on i've got a

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among other subjects james ian doley

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researches the ufo phenomenon human

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initiated contact and consciousness

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studies his independent practice

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includes over 15 years of field work and

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over 17 years of formal meditation study

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he's behind the podcast engaging the

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phenomenon which is available on youtube

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spotify apple podcast and audible along

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with people like stuart davis sherry

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miller zev deans raheem vazrali and sean

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he's also one of my closest friends

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james it's great to have you on the show

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today

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hey thanks thanks for having me guys

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it's one of my dreams to get an intro

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from jay like that i mean

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it's coming it's coming

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on the freaking day

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no it's awesome it's actually been a

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while since you've been

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uh on on the show and um i've been

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meaning to get you back so i'm glad

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you're back today we've had a lot of

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great uh uap news ross goldhart has been

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killing it lately

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you guys have

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an event coming up that i would love to

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talk about

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um something new on twitter came up

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today as far as some ufo videos that i

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you know there's a there's a lot to to

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to talk about but let's start with the

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the event that uh yourself and jay are

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putting on why don't you guys tell me

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uh what

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made you do this how did you think of it

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you know what made you want to do it

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what do you expect from it

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uh yeah i mean i guess it kind of

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nyc ufo supper club which you were you

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yeah you guys didn't talk about that

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when i was there fortunately no i mean

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this subsequent ones you know yeah

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we we weren't allowed to no but uh you

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know it kind of started like that and

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you know me and jay are meeting

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jay actually brought up the idea and i

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had been thinking about it but i was i

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was kind of thinking uh about it on even

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probably a smaller scale than jay was

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because i didn't know any of the

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possibilities or

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you know what it could be

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and you know for the people listening

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the event is called an inquiry into

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anomalous experiences and the phenomenon

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uh which is going to be in the heart of

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um midtown manhattan october 8th and you

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know people are going to be able to

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be there in person for a very intimate

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experience or we're going to have a live

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stream so people can join non-locally as

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and and participate and watch that way

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phenomenon and

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like we're meeting and having these

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awesome discussions and you know we're

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meeting up with people like you sean

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uh we met you know with uh you know dj

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and nathan from cab uh calling all

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beings we've met with you know you know

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uh ended up coming out to visit us and

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these awesome interactions and

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and it it seemed like a no-brainer once

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it was brought up and we're like wow you

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nyc should be anonymous synonymous

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everything that kind of goes with that

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discussions and i you know he had some

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ideas i had some ideas

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and i started asking around and who

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would be interested and and it kind of

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came on that but you know jay what

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what's kind of your perspective and

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taking how you know we we got into this

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well all of that you know i mean

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it's kind of no secret

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huge reason why sean and i have become

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so close and you too it's like okay

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okay you're you're in the inner circle i

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trust you now we have to do some like

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a podcast or do an event or something

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wired for better or worse you know um

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yeah but uh but i i i really really

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that and james and i had talked about

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this beforehand and it's one of those

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somebody done this yet why isn't there a

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place for experience why some

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the fact that new york city this whole

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conferences related to

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and it hasn't for a while you know there

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historical record and find some um but

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happening out in pennsylvania or

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such a you know populated area

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and that has so much tourism that it's

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ridiculous not to do something here and

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inverse of that is that it's harder to

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do anything here than it is anywhere

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and um i don't i'm not sure if that's

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entirely true or not but it feels true

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every once in a while you know it's an

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regulations and all sorts of stuff so

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pulling off an event like this is is

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it's challenging but it's also like a

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really fun and worthy challenge i think

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well i'm really looking forward to it

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i'm glad you guys are doing the online

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thing too so people like myself can

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chime in i'll just be getting back from

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a vacation so i doubt my wife would let

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me leave again right away to to go on

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stream in and catch it i'm excited for

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the guests you have uh

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have exo academia right

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yeah actual academian and then tim grief

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carlson and uh you know jay can explain

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one point um great episode he is

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organizers of the archives of the

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impossible themselves and the opening of

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the archives conference that happened in

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march so he's kind of like a star

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student of jeff kreipels in

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the the gem program the gnosticism

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esotericism and mysticism program down

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there that's kind of been this amazing

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shelter for

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for folks that have been interested in

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anomalous study in the phenomenon for

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quite a while now and um and he just got

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his doctorate uh a few months ago

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and he already has like a book in the

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he's a brilliant guy um must be a small

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no i don't think so you know and he

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and also you know one of the other

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things that he's got

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i mean that people might be interested

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in in the general audience is that he

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one of the two people that jeff crippled

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tapped to organize jacques valley's like

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secret archive

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at the archive of the impossible so he's

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one of the only guys on earth that

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actually knows what's in there which is

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i know right well you got to find out

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what his advice is and get to work

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get those secrets out awesome i i can't

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i can't wait till it comes um anything

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else you have on it james

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academia and uh you know he's he's very

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serious about the work

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um and especially

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articulate when it comes to like

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difficult

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uh topics to kind of trying to put

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verbiage to and frameworks too

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and he does an excellent job i think

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breaking it down where it's like wow

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okay you know i can kind of see that

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so and and i think that uh you know

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there's power in in bringing this

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conversation into the center of new york

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city for the public

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basically um is almost like a statement

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of the times that we're in uh and and

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the progress we've made so i'm i'm

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really uh kind of honored to be able to

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help for to facilitate something like

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you know that stature and again it's

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like what why hasn't there been events

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like this in new york city on the

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regular and i get it it is it is

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difficult but

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um not impossible and i think that this

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you know

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there should be many more dialogues like

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this on the east coast and again i work

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in in midtown manhattan and

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i'm talking to people all the time you

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know whether i'm commuting or or

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whatever it is about the subject and

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there's there's rarely a time when i

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bring it up and there's not interest you

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know even even if it's mild interest you

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know not everybody's going to be up

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speed uh like a ufo researcher but

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there's certainly interest

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um

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so

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again i think it's it's kind of powerful

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kind of the

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to have a conversation like this you

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know professor gary nolan and tim and xo

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you know

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discussing the phenomenon and anomalous

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experiences right in right in new york

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yeah that kind of leads me to

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what you know i did want to get your

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take on a little bit as as far as gary

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nolan ross goldhart on um unless there's

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anything else you guys wanted to say on

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the event before we

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get into the ross coldheart documentary

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oh i'm sure that the event will come up

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on on this show and other shows plenty

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between now and oh this is it man

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this is our one shot

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well just just before we end it with

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that uh um jay do you wanna you wanna

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say when tickets are gonna be available

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oh sure yeah um live stream tickets are

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going to be available starting tomorrow

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uh in-person tickets will

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will we anticipate being able to have

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them up a week from tomorrow so live

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stream tickets are going to be available

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this friday and in-person tickets which

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are very limited will be available next

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friday

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okay where can they find them

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oh uh i'll post a we're going to post a

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link everywhere we can post one in the

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comments for this video and we can edit

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it into the show notes

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and yeah

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yeah absolutely i'm i'm really looking

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forward to it it's going to be cool it's

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a they're limited tickets

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the live streaming is going to be

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through a zoom conference so we're going

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to be limited to about a thousand people

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and uh for the live where the theater

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only has 140 seats and that includes for

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like james and i and other people yeah

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so so it's a very limited situation but

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we just figured you know that's the

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first event that we're doing of this

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kind we should kind of like put a box

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around it and see how that works um and

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yeah well next time next time you know

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where you can find some great intro

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music

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absolutely

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yeah well we should get you they have a

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projector there like we could definitely

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i mean you know if you're throwing

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yourself out there with some free you

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know if you want to get paid in credit

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you know man

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absolutely i would i would love to

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perform for an event like that i think

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it would be great uh maybe yeah some

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other time or whatever

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um

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then he followed up with a piece of uh

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his podcast uh need to know where seven

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news kind of jumped in and sponsored it

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and they did an episode of their podcast

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need to know um and i thought both

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pieces were just uh excellent and really

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solidified to me his place in ufology

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and what he means to this community

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which is a lot

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um he has such a uh an elegant and

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thoughtful and insightful way of

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tackling this um this topic that really

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gets me excited

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um to be quite frank um i wanted to get

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your guys's takeaways of of what she

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thought of his work over the last few

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days and and what are some of the things

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that stood out to you i'm sure gary

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nolan probably didn't the wilson davis

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notes did for you james

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yeah that that was excellent and you

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know the thing i love about ross is he

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doesn't hold punches i mean he's

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he's going for it uh in in all of his

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work you know

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um but he's done the work he's done the

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research he's spoken to the people and

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you know obviously he has to keep

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uh confidences and certain regards uh

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because that you have to protect your

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sources if you're doing serious work

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anybody in this field knows that

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and you know again he got to see that

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the photo

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um

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like you know via tim burchard i thought

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that was awesome hopefully at some point

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the public gets to see that

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uh but i i thought it was great

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that

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you know he got to include dr

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gary nolan in it and i'm really glad

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that they discussed the wilson davis

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notes

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before they were really circulating

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around

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you know gary was one of the first

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people that i spoke to about it you know

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um and

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you know so i was able to get his take

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and so but hearing him

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you know talk about it kind of like on a

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mainstream thing i think is really

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powerful

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you know especially given the fact that

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they were put into the congressional

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record and you know again i know

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people people are still going to debate

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the veracity of the notes

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right sure

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and people have good right i mean that's

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a natural thing to do right

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it is it is um

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but i mean when you have everybody

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that's that's around eric um

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basically

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you know supporting

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the notes as being legitimate

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uh you know as far as they can really go

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i think that that says something

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yeah what about you jay what do you

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think tell me your deepest secrets

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brilliant as

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navigate the situation of like

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of

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you know not necessarily not saying

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outright that eric davis told them that

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they're real but you know the the i

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think his phrasing was

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you know i you know eric davis is a very

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good friend of mine i know eric davis

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really well and he can't lie about stuff

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uh so you know i know about i know about

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these documents

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something along those lines was what he

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was generally saying right and it

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actually is pretty much merges

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very closely with what jacques vallee

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said on james's show

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whether those there was merit to those

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notes do you remember that james i'm

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sure

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yeah i mean i was i couldn't wait to ask

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jack valet

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because again

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valet and his newest book trinity the

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best kept secret

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i mean it was obviously he made it a

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point to include it in the in the

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glossary of the book it's like not

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talked about much like in the book at

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all but you go

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into the back and and like there it is

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and you know wri and basically printed

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in history now

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you know discussing the notes

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um

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you know the background of the notes and

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it's like why would he include that in

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his newest book right just

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randomly uh and and you know again any

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anytime we're talking about the wilson

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davis notes

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i think we got to give uh you know a

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huge shout out and and you know major

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respect to um you know ufo google

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uh

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juliano marinkovic giuliano morenkovic

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because uh you know the work that he has

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has done on on the the wilson davis

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notes in the history the chronology

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and even details that aren't generally

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public about it but helped researchers

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find the trail uh is you know

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is immaculate and uh you know major

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credit to him for for doing that and um

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and again he's

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juliano had assisted

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in the background for other researchers

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that you even took the lead on it and

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giuliana was working on it in the back

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and still does you know and

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you know giuliano found that clip of of

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edgar mitchell

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2010 two two different times one month

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apart

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um one one was a magazine interview and

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the other was a

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like a audio radio interview

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and dr edgar mitchell in 2010 way before

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these notes were circulating

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was talking about how he knew an admiral

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who had

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found

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these

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unacknowledged special access programs

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dealing with reverse engineering

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uh and you know secret programs black

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programs any new uh a scientist with you

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know classified background aka eric

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uh

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and and eric had a meeting with him in

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las vegas

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so he confirms the area where the

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alleged meeting happened

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and

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there was no way there was no rumor of

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gary didn't say he saw the notes because

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he he couldn't have right uh but he knew

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of them so i'll just say that

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um

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but richard dolan did

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and other reporters that have not went

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on the record and said that they did did

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um saw two pages of the notes in in like

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2008-2009

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so

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i mean those are all i think indicators

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of something to it

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and

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you know now personally for me yeah just

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on the wilson davis notes i think the

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meeting happened and that the the notes

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were as as even gary said that's what an

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intelligence officer does he makes a

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report of what he's been doing so yeah

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i think one one point i wanted to to

561
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,799
make uh to go back to uh jacques valet a

562
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,559
little bit is

563
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,120
you know when you actually read his work

564
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,120
you know a lot of people that who who

565
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,039
don't research him

566
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:16,159
may think he's just all about woo in it

567
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,440
you know and he's full in on

568
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,200
experiencers and

569
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,960
you know he just believes everything

570
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,480
right like that's like kind of a

571
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,880
superficial way that people may look at

572
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,760
him

573
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:27,679
um if they don't actually research but

574
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,720
if you actually read his books he's very

575
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,080
um

576
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,240
he doesn't buy everything and he breaks

577
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,120
everything down and proves things to be

578
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,520
false or a lie if possible and when he

579
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,520
came out and said that maybe things are

580
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,440
interdimensional you know like john keel

581
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,280
did like he got a lot of pushback in the

582
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,640
ufo community because he wasn't

583
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,640
concerned with being popular he wanted

584
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,320
to be accurate and put the best

585
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,559
investigative work forward and so when

586
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,640
he's like talking about the wilson notes

587
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:57,600
and vouching it for it in different ways

588
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,480
um

589
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,120
like that should be a very significant

590
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:02,720
thing for people

591
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,080
in in my opinion you know oh and and one

592
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,840
more thing on that is and again

593
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:10,480
something um i don't know if it was

594
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,360
juliano giuliano who who discovered it

595
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,679
but he wrote an article on it and he

596
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,120
pointed it out and added it to the

597
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:18,400
chronology

598
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,360
is that

599
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:22,080
valet you know actually in villa

600
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:22,960
um

601
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,240
when when he met with diana solka and

602
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,080
she said which book should i read first

603
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,240
when he gave her some of his books and

604
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,559
he said this one and there was stratagem

605
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,640
you know it's his not it's his fiction

606
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:35,440
book

607
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,679
identical story

608
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,320
of of the wilson davis meeting you know

609
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,400
this guy you know this intelligence

610
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:46,080
officer who has a meeting with this guy

611
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:46,720
and

612
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,120
based that story

613
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,880
on the wilson davis meeting when he

614
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,480
wrote that book

615
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,640
yeah it's f it's funny how these authors

616
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,159
are putting in the the truth and the

617
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,880
fiction books like time to long hair

618
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,080
absolutely

619
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,320
well speaking of which you know

620
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,480
james you've had an incredible

621
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,080
uh string of interviews lately since you

622
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,480
uh restarted the engaging the phenomenon

623
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,200
channel a couple months ago and recently

624
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:19,600
you've had on jim simivan and peter

625
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,640
lavinda and of course peter lavinda um

626
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,679
has

627
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,640
is

628
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:28,080
co-wrote um the recent series of

629
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,600
non-fiction um to the stars books

630
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,080
in the gods man and war series

631
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,600
so

632
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,320
maybe first of all what was

633
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,200
what has been the most surprising or

634
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,559
eye-opening

635
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,720
thing that you learned from peter

636
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,799
lavenda

637
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,480
good question because that's gonna be

638
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,120
impossible to answer that's real that's

639
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,200
that's really tough um

640
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,520
i mean from lavenda

641
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,240
and this this is not um

642
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,559
this is kind of like a reformation of

643
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,600
your question in a sense um because it's

644
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,200
i love lavender because he has such a

645
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,279
diverse background and he you know

646
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,960
um

647
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,799
and other than the kind of like vast

648
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,039
knowledge that he pulls on and and his

649
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,440
he has these immaculate sources so like

650
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,840
i remember when i was re when when

651
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,240
god's man wore the first book gods came

652
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,640
out i i got it right away

653
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,520
um just because i knew that that tom was

654
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,440
you know whether you like him or not or

655
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,880
you know whether

656
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,200
you know whatever your take on him is

657
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,000
that you know he was definitely being he

658
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,600
was definitely connected to insiders

659
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:37,039
that's that wasn't a question so i said

660
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,919
okay

661
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,600
let me see what's in here let me see if

662
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:41,200
they gave him any goodies or whatever it

663
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,240
is

664
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,679
and

665
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,600
so when i was reading the first book

666
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:48,080
gods by lavender there was just so

667
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:49,679
there's just so much in there i mean

668
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,039
like you could spend

669
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,600
probably years researching

670
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,440
the stuff that's in there i mean if you

671
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,520
take source by source by source and

672
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,760
everything that he cited i mean because

673
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,000
of that book i mean we all saw the cia

674
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,960
documents on psychic phenomenon but

675
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,480
when i was reading the book i came

676
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,240
across you know again a source he said

677
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,320
i'm like oh where's this from uh the

678
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,440
terminology anomalous mental phenomena

679
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,520
which is talking about psy right psychic

680
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,480
phenomenon and that paper was a cia

681
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:22,400
paper that was i think co-written with

682
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,360
um

683
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,799
seic

684
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:26,960
and you know their big

685
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:29,679
player in this in this game of alleged

686
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,960
ufo materials and ufo studies and legacy

687
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,360
programs you know um

688
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,360
prominent researchers had

689
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,960
have tied them even though it sounds

690
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,559
conspiratorial

691
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,200
um at least it did maybe back then but i

692
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,200
think now it's kind of more apparent

693
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,120
that some of these you know corporations

694
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,880
and industry players

695
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,880
had some kind of connection and you know

696
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,480
again here they are talking about the

697
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,320
anomalous mental phenomena they've also

698
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,720
been tied to things like again you know

699
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,559
reverse engineering programs or

700
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,640
materials yeah that kind of thing

701
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,600
um

702
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,640
but

703
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,520
lavender otherwise i mean

704
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,440
again it's just like every if you look

705
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,120
at lavender's work there's just so much

706
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,400
there it's like i don't even know where

707
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,520
to start

708
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,640
it's not

709
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,840
but

710
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,919
kind of like beyond that i think

711
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,480
lavender is a very bright thinker and he

712
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,679
has a way

713
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,000
of like synthesizing an insight and just

714
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,000
like boom and it's like it'll be like a

715
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,240
one-liner or you know i've made several

716
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,039
infographics on lavender uh or memes

717
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,720
whatever you want to call them uh

718
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,799
because he has so many great quotes like

719
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,720
it's hard for me to either listen to

720
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,840
lavender

721
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,840
or or read something from an event and

722
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,679
not walk away with the quote was like

723
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:42,080
damn he's he's uh he's got it with this

724
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:45,200
one so um lavender is just super

725
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,400
insightful

726
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,559
and he has immaculate sources and

727
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:50,080
sourcing when he when he does his

728
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,440
research

729
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,919
yeah i completely agree i mean he's he's

730
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,240
also for for people in the audience that

731
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,360
haven't

732
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:59,120
really heard his name very much peter

733
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,159
levin

734
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,440
one of the things here is that peter

735
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:03,600
lavinda does not do many interviews he

736
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,039
just doesn't it's not a thing and so um

737
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,200
and so even just james getting peter

738
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,159
lavinda on is pretty amazing um and i

739
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,960
know that it took a lot of of work and

740
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,679
time to kind of get to that point but

741
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:18,559
you know

742
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,159
for those of you that don't know um it's

743
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,919
or haven't heard james's interview it's

744
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,080
absolutely worth listening to and

745
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,240
like not just that it's like probably

746
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,760
the favorite my favorite thing that i've

747
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,000
heard and that i've listened to the most

748
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,720
over the last month but peter lavinda is

749
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,399
a really fascinating guy because he has

750
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,640
a really unique take

751
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,440
on kind of our field in general and on

752
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,360
anomalous studies

753
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,640
in general

754
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,320
because he's coming not just from

755
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,720
ufology is also coming from

756
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,480
uh this kind of

757
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,039
event of the occult and like secret

758
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,880
societies and

759
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,159
and kind of

760
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,320
backroom political machinations and

761
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,480
things like that that a lot of other

762
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,200
people don't get into he's really he

763
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,000
really has an interesting and kind of

764
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,039
classy take on looking at the cd

765
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:12,080
underbelly of of thought

766
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,960
and

767
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,360
surrounding kind of power

768
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:16,480
and

769
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,200
that would be interested in human

770
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,840
initiated contact as as like a primary

771
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,159
point of reference might be particularly

772
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,000
interested in peter lovinda if that

773
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,399
makes sense

774
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,679
yeah i mean

775
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,520
i just want to say one one thing is that

776
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,080
i think he's one of the most underrated

777
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,240
you know researchers and authors in the

778
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,840
field of

779
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:49,600
these kind of studies because for sure

780
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,799
again he's so clear and and um

781
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,799
again if yeah if you listen to him or

782
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:57,760
look at his work it's just excellent

783
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,480
yeah

784
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,799
he's uh you know kind of awful what jay

785
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,799
was saying is just

786
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,039
listening to that interview

787
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:07,279
you you take away from it but man this

788
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,200
guy is so well-rounded you know he like

789
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,279
in the in this field what i've seen you

790
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,799
know and it's not a bad or good thing

791
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,880
people find their niche they go after it

792
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,919
all good

793
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,559
um but he's into the old blue book

794
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,799
documents he's into the old occult stuff

795
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:24,159
he's into

796
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,159
you know what's happening now you know

797
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,799
he's he's into absolutely everything and

798
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,640
i feel like that's

799
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,600
really

800
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,520
realistically the only way you can come

801
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,200
up with the clearest picture possible

802
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,600
for what's happening with the phenomenon

803
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,200
is by searching in all these different

804
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:46,000
baskets because there's truth everywhere

805
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,440
and if you don't look in all those

806
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,279
you're going to miss one and now you can

807
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,960
work around that by working with you

808
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,559
know other people that are

809
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,320
you know good at this or that you come

810
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,919
together and do things but you know he

811
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,760
took it upon himself to

812
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,720
you know um kind of reaching all those

813
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,320
well so to speak and i don't think it

814
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,919
was neces doesn't seem like he was

815
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,480
necessarily on purpose either i think he

816
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,399
let his curiosity kind of lead him in

817
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,640
all these directions and here he is

818
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,039
probably one of the most well-rounded

819
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,880
ufo authors uh to date so you know i i'm

820
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:18,320
really glad you did that interview

821
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,200
because

822
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,200
um you know it really shined a light on

823
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,200
him for me and i can't wait to dive into

824
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,760
more of his work so yeah i appreciate it

825
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,240
and again i i had been

826
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,799
trying to get him on for years literally

827
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,840
since like

828
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,919
2018 i've been i've been trying to get

829
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,559
him and uh you know i finally got him on

830
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,399
and you know i just want to say two in

831
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,320
in kind of the spirit of that you know

832
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,720
his talks with jim semivan on the to the

833
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,840
stars

834
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,720
uh

835
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,279
podcast and and the youtube channel are

836
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,679
are superb they're top-notch and you

837
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,720
know i don't want people to think this

838
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,799
is some kind of to the stars promotion

839
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,720
because i mean just listen to it for

840
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,840
yourself

841
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,919
and uh you know and again jim jim

842
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,600
semivan is going to be on calling all

843
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,240
beings uh tonight so people should

844
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,120
definitely check that out but

845
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,399
i'll say that jim is um

846
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,760
you know

847
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,960
again

848
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,840
he's he's extremely modest i think

849
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:15,360
in in

850
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:21,360
he knows and and what his involvement

851
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:22,240
was

852
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,240
great guy to me

853
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,000
and um

854
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,840
he's got some interesting information

855
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,200
i'll say

856
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,640
yeah

857
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,880
well maybe calling all beings will

858
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,039
pull some more out

859
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:39,120
absolutely i think they will i think

860
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,399
they will yeah

861
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,000
sending good vibes to

862
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:44,559
nathan and dj uh james i think you

863
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,320
probably are are uh needing to get out

864
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,480
of here soon right i'm actually i'm good

865
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,240
because i did everything in reverse so i

866
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,919
actually have the time now because i was

867
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,159
gonna go do everything else afterwards

868
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:57,919
so

869
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,159
want to kick me out i'm i can go yeah no

870
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,640
no this is great

871
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,159
that's excellent

872
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,799
i i love i love like doing it in reverse

873
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,640
without the contacts that's amazing to

874
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,640
me it reminds me of um

875
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,720
i was on a plane this was like three or

876
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,279
four years ago just brief aside where i

877
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,200
was i was on the aisle and there's this

878
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,039
dude right across from me and he's

879
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,440
looking at there's a short puddle jumper

880
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:25,919
flight you know and he's looking at the

881
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,519
times on his ticket and he's like

882
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:31,279
he's like it says here

883
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,000
that

884
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,720
there's it's a two-hour flight but we

885
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,919
get there

886
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,080
like just 45 minutes later what's going

887
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:39,919
on here so yeah you know it's in one of

888
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,880
the stewardesses and she goes oh sweetie

889
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,519
it's because we're flying backwards

890
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,640
and he just

891
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,600
had this look on his face like

892
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,480
yeah

893
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,120
nothing was processing nothing was like

894
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:55,140
what do you mean backwards

895
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,750
yeah anyway oh but it's it's i'm so i'm

896
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,039
so happy that you're able to stick

897
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:08,000
around man um so jim simivan speaking of

898
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,600
you had an incredible interview with him

899
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,559
like

900
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:11,919
you know going into a little bit more

901
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,960
depth what did you like best about or

902
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,200
what did you find most surprising about

903
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,720
your interview with jim semivan and

904
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,480
briefly um

905
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,799
you know for for people in the audience

906
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,320
that aren't aware of who these people

907
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:26,640
are peter levinda is a long-time author

908
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,640
and researcher jim simivan is a retired

909
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,200
former high-level uh

910
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:36,159
officer with the central intelligence

911
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,120
agency

912
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,919
yeah he's also an experiencer who's been

913
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,559
um opening up in the last year about

914
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,519
about

915
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,440
his experiences with anomalous

916
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:48,720
situations and human beings and

917
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,159
and kind of who he encountered within

918
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:54,000
the intelligence community

919
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,120
through

920
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,640
uh opening up

921
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,960
um while he was still working about

922
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:00,960
these situations

923
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,919
yeah and and jim is involved with an

924
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,480
ongoing experience or study

925
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:07,679
right that's

926
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,800
quasi private quasi-government kind of

927
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,240
thing right so

928
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,879
i i mean i i don't know for certain but

929
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,399
anytime i hear that there's an

930
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:18,079
experience or study

931
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,040
um

932
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,399
with

933
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,240
any of these kind of programs i'm i'm

934
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,159
kind of assuming that contact is

935
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:25,919
involved and kind of even psychic

936
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,960
phenomenon in in one

937
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,079
one tense or another so i think

938
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,079
they're doing some serious stuff and i

939
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,760
don't i don't know if it's connected to

940
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:36,480
that

941
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,280
but

942
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,800
you know sometimes if you listen to tom

943
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,240
delong he'll say something and he'll

944
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:41,839
never say it again

945
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:44,879
yeah maybe because he was told not to

946
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,599
but again like again that starfish prime

947
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,599
was one thing he never mentioned again

948
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:51,280
and he probably got a big slap on the

949
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,159
wrist for that um but in in one of his

950
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,240
interviews he's like yeah he's like

951
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,400
there's a there's this program with like

952
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,320
100 or 200

953
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,560
uh experiencers and and they're having

954
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,920
contact with the phenomenon and the

955
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,520
government studying them

956
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,359
and and he never said it again and i was

957
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,280
like what i remember even danny silva

958
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,960
silver record i think he made like a

959
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,040
little infographic for that and it was

960
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,599
like to me that's an amazing thing

961
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,240
right yeah um that's incredible and and

962
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,400
and so we have different

963
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,160
k green might find it a little less

964
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,760
amazing that he said that but anyway

965
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,280
that's different

966
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,359
right right um

967
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,040
because that's his job right he has to

968
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,480
find a less amazing

969
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,040
um yeah i'm sure if it was up to him it

970
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,359
would you know of course we'd be in a in

971
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,800
a different place right now but they

972
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,040
have to do the work they do in the way

973
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,880
they do it for absolutely you know for

974
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,040
all the reasons right um

975
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,680
but hopefully with all this new stuff

976
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,720
maybe not just arrow necessarily um but

977
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,200
everything that's going on these studies

978
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,640
are going to be able to done a little

979
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,960
more public a little more open

980
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,240
and you're going to have new thinkers

981
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,599
coming to the conversation be able to

982
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,760
contribute in that way

983
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,920
hopefully

984
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,680
it's interesting to me because it

985
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,520
definitely seems like

986
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,040
you know when this whole kind of

987
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,040
disclosure push started

988
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,079
um that there was a lot of talk about

989
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,400
not really talking too much about

990
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,440
experiencers maybe keeping that down low

991
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,359
for the time being didn't want to scare

992
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:21,839
anyone away i get it

993
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,560
but as as this progresses

994
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,119
it's almost becoming obvious that the

995
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,520
whole time this thing is about crash

996
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,040
retrievals

997
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,440
the the programs

998
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,960
and experiencers

999
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,240
yeah

1000
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,480
everyone's talking way more about it

1001
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,119
even like everyone from cahill that jim

1002
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,119
semivan to gary nolan coming out as an

1003
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,760
experiencer to the the wilson notes

1004
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,000
being uh put on the record through

1005
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,560
representative gallagher like this all

1006
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,880
is taking a 180 straight to the good

1007
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,200
stuff what was your take on

1008
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,040
well and again you have all these pieces

1009
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,119
right so it's like okay

1010
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,839
uh lou elizondo in the in the

1011
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,599
skinwalkers and the pentagon book is

1012
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,000
it's talked about as a remote viewer

1013
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,599
or somebody with psi capability who was

1014
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,000
maybe has some other kind of connection

1015
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,920
to what he was doing i don't know

1016
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,079
um and he seems to also be an

1017
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,079
experiencer right i don't know on what

1018
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,760
level maybe he just had one thing but

1019
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,800
there's

1020
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,800
people have asked him and he's he's not

1021
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,280
answering publicly for whatever reason

1022
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,520
um when i think it would probably if

1023
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,720
there was nothing there he would have

1024
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,839
just said no

1025
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,160
right yeah um so again you have this

1026
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,680
thing with psychic phenomenon

1027
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,200
experiencers

1028
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,320
anomalous mental phenomena um being

1029
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,359
central to like the whole thing and

1030
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,760
and and the crazy thing about that is

1031
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,920
and then again tyler from american

1032
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,119
cosmic

1033
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,520
um or aka tim whatever you want to call

1034
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,560
them these days

1035
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,720
um you know

1036
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,880
that's just another example that like

1037
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,480
boom um

1038
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:57,839
and

1039
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,640
again back in the with the wilbur smith

1040
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,960
memo right there they're talking about

1041
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,920
this subject being so classified more

1042
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,760
classified than the hydrogen bomb at the

1043
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,440
time which was the ultimate weapon so

1044
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:11,040
which how could something be more

1045
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,560
classified than that

1046
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,480
and they're explicitly stating that it

1047
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,160
has to do with you know mental

1048
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,720
phenomenon basically contact

1049
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:19,839
yeah

1050
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,000
lots of reported contacts

1051
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:27,040
after after that right right

1052
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,079
all right

1053
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,280
one thing that

1054
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,119
that we just kind of briefly touched on

1055
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,040
here um

1056
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:35,200
and kind of passed over was that there

1057
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,000
was

1058
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,960
a bit of a mic drop moment um

1059
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,440
in the for those of you that don't know

1060
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,040
we're going to put this in the show

1061
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,400
notes so just for some context because i

1062
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,720
i keep trying to go back to the thousand

1063
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:51,119
yard you know picture and then come back

1064
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,000
in

1065
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,320
okay so for those of you that don't know

1066
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,640
ross coulthart

1067
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,920
and uh

1068
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,720
who is an investigative journalist down

1069
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:02,640
in australia for

1070
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,680
seven plus which is the biggest the

1071
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,320
highest rated uh television channel down

1072
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:11,119
there uh did and basically kind of like

1073
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,480
an hour-long

1074
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,359
news magazine piece kind of all uh 60

1075
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,079
minutes recently where he came to the

1076
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,400
states and did this big road trip with

1077
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,160
his buddy bryce zabel who he does a

1078
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,240
podcast with need to know which is great

1079
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,880
everybody should listen to that podcast

1080
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,200
and he visited gary nolan he visited

1081
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,079
with leslie kane he he went to dc and he

1082
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,160
talked to tim burchett it's it's

1083
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,320
fantastic can't recommend it highly

1084
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,040
enough and then yesterday

1085
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,960
um there was an additional um

1086
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,560
uh podcast

1087
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:47,359
uh episode that was released by channel

1088
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,480
7 of ross's

1089
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,640
podcast with bryce

1090
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,720
and it was essentially like a juiced up

1091
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,320
version of need to know that had

1092
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,640
extended footage from gary nolan and

1093
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,520
others

1094
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,920
and and it was great it's amazing and

1095
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,440
it's already been viewed by like over

1096
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,160
180 000 people so it's it's really good

1097
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,920
for the field of anomalous study it's

1098
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:10,160
really great for ufology

1099
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:10,960
seeing

1100
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:16,079
with regard to popular media in general

1101
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,880
right

1102
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,280
now within that just yesterday this

1103
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,440
episode gary nolan i think it was the

1104
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,440
very first time that he ever

1105
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,319
has has said publicly

1106
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,839
that he

1107
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,079
not only is he an experiencer which he's

1108
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,319
kind of hinted at in the past and and or

1109
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,079
said outright that he saw a craft in the

1110
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,160
air when he was delivering papers

1111
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,720
uh as a kid but that he also woke up and

1112
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,520
had beings in his room as a child and so

1113
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,040
this is the first time that he's ever

1114
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:46,079
said that publicly as well which for me

1115
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,200
was like

1116
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,480
you know what i mean like i had to kind

1117
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,960
of pause it and walk around like you

1118
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,800
know my condo a couple times and sit

1119
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,800
back down before i i kept going with

1120
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,720
that with the broadcast personally

1121
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,240
what'd you guys think of that

1122
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,920
was it a surprise

1123
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,560
um i i've known gary for

1124
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,400
for a number of years now and and you

1125
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:06,480
know we've had conversations

1126
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,760
um

1127
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,480
and so i i had heard about some of his

1128
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,560
experiences and and even more than that

1129
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,760
was shared

1130
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,240
um but i i think that was a huge moment

1131
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,480
for gary and i'm really that proud that

1132
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,400
um you know essentially he came out of

1133
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,760
the closet again

1134
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:23,920
um to share that and i think there's

1135
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:26,400
again there's power and somebody

1136
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,839
um like of gary nolan's stature being

1137
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,280
able to come out and talk about

1138
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,280
something like that with so much on the

1139
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,880
line really i mean you know he's

1140
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:39,040
a nominee for the nobel prize and he you

1141
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:40,079
know

1142
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,079
experiences that he had with the

1143
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,240
phenomenon and i think just as

1144
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:50,240
incredible as that one was the one where

1145
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:51,040
he

1146
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,319
through his body

1147
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,920
and and he heard

1148
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,359
or intuited

1149
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:01,839
the kind of message or you know

1150
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,319
intuition insight that this is how you

1151
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,599
communicate

1152
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,280
and you know i've had experiences where

1153
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,560
i had the whole

1154
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,119
electrical thing through the body too so

1155
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,920
i mean that's it's it's really insane

1156
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:16,240
um to hear that just out in the public

1157
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,119
now

1158
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,920
and um even i think i spoke to ross

1159
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,560
briefly just after i saw that episode

1160
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,839
and he you know

1161
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,960
he had

1162
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,880
wanted to include more in the original

1163
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,280
piece but he they only had a lot of time

1164
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,400
so he really wanted to to put it in this

1165
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,079
podcast version where they put

1166
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:35,760
everything like the best of everything

1167
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:39,680
that they had for that for that episode

1168
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,520
yeah i mean um for me personally i i

1169
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:46,480
i

1170
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,359
more but the more reputable

1171
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,119
intelligent successful people that come

1172
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,760
out and and talk about their experiences

1173
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,359
and don't hide because of you know

1174
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,480
whatever ramifications could happen

1175
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,440
the

1176
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,440
better this topic's going to be right

1177
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,960
because really in the end it's about

1178
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,280
people and the experiences that people

1179
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,520
have and how they affect their lives

1180
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,480
right

1181
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:21,119
and to see how successful gary is in his

1182
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,920
life

1183
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,760
that he's nominated for a nobel peace

1184
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,119
prize

1185
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,000
you know and on top of all his

1186
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:30,640
papers and inventions and patents

1187
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,960
um and he's just a really nice guy too

1188
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:37,760
to see him do that um

1189
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:38,839
was

1190
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,309
you know i've only been around for a

1191
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,240
little long as an experiencer but if i

1192
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,200
can say we i can see we've we needed a

1193
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,200
win like that and i'll always be

1194
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,440
grateful for uh dr noland for coming out

1195
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,520
and doing something like that

1196
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:03,359
yeah and you know i just want to say

1197
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,800
again that you know dr nolan is

1198
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,560
really

1199
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,880
a man of honor and integrity

1200
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,000
and

1201
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,920
you know he actually

1202
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,680
he let me break the story for the

1203
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,359
caudate pertainment

1204
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:19,280
um back back

1205
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:20,400
in the day

1206
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,440
and

1207
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,640
i don't i i

1208
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,640
didn't really ask him why necessarily

1209
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,000
but i know other people were actually

1210
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,160
after the story and maybe it was because

1211
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,000
i was an experiencer i'm not i'm not

1212
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,680
really sure but you know he didn't have

1213
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,079
to do that or or you know

1214
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,079
he didn't have to invest a bunch of his

1215
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,640
money to study this himself and the time

1216
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,319
you know on top of running his lab so

1217
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,160
it's i think we're really lucky to have

1218
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,920
somebody like him and lou and some of

1219
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,400
the other people who have really

1220
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,720
put you know put a lot into this like

1221
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,640
high stakes and most people don't

1222
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,720
realize or appreciate it as much

1223
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,960
um as i think they should

1224
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,240
uh but

1225
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,920
i mean we're seeing the fruits of it now

1226
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,920
with everything that's going on

1227
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,800
yeah

1228
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,359
well james um since you mentioned it

1229
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,480
could you could you inform uh for those

1230
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,319
of uh those

1231
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,880
in the audience that may not have heard

1232
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,839
about um what gary kind of stumbled upon

1233
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,920
within within

1234
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,720
uh brain his study of the brain

1235
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,960
and experiencers uh can you kind of

1236
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,040
tease that out a little bit more and

1237
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,359
and you know

1238
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,599
what did it mean for you in terms of

1239
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:29,599
breaking that story

1240
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:32,800
we have another hour

1241
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,599
no well uh okay um

1242
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,640
so

1243
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:40,079
to to put it concisely

1244
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:40,880
you know

1245
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:43,760
there there was a number of people who

1246
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:44,839
were being

1247
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,480
affected uh by the ufo phenomenon

1248
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,960
and they were seeing you know and i say

1249
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,720
they people in the intelligence

1250
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,240
community

1251
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,119
and and in these programs

1252
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,440
we're seeing that people who were coming

1253
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,960
into proximity

1254
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,200
with uaps were having some kind of

1255
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,720
physical effects

1256
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,000
um

1257
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,000
and and some of those physical effects

1258
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,480
were it seemed to be

1259
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,160
almost brain damage right for some of

1260
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,839
them it turned out that some of these

1261
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,640
people

1262
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,480
were affected by havana syndrome from

1263
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,920
their conclusion

1264
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,839
but a number of them

1265
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,160
it it wasn't actually damaged what they

1266
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,440
actually found was hyper connectivity

1267
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,880
um which

1268
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,880
you know is not

1269
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,960
average right the average person doesn't

1270
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,040
have this hyper connectivity

1271
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,000
um but it turns out that the people who

1272
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:38,560
have this hyper connectivity

1273
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,359
um

1274
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,280
which is in the basal ganglia area of

1275
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:42,960
the brain specifically the cauda

1276
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,760
infotainment very impressive right there

1277
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,599
you just nailed that

1278
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,000
yeah well they they these individuals

1279
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,640
who have this hyper connectivity

1280
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,359
it it seems again these are still

1281
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,000
working hypothesis and they're pretty

1282
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,560
sure at this point and and again people

1283
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,920
are going to smash this until it's

1284
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,680
obvious and it's in all the terminals

1285
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,520
but harvard has now taken on the study

1286
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,400
and duplicated it and it's on the money

1287
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,200
um but so people have this connection

1288
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,280
um not only are these people that have

1289
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,680
had anomalous experiences throughout

1290
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,200
their life and

1291
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:19,040
as well as their families

1292
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,079
um

1293
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,400
but you know they've had contact and

1294
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,599
proximity to ufos uap

1295
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,599
and they seem to have

1296
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,119
uh

1297
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,200
increased intuition

1298
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,640
um and and high performance um

1299
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,480
capabilities you know

1300
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,520
so

1301
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,680
it's it's extremely interesting i mean

1302
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:42,160
they they kind of stumbled across it in

1303
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,280
in a way

1304
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,119
and it's it's really kind of like a

1305
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,640
major discovery

1306
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,680
um

1307
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,319
and i i don't

1308
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,720
i don't know i i think that

1309
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,720
there's a smaller number of people who

1310
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,960
kind of appreciate it now

1311
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,640
uh but i think in the time to come i

1312
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,079
think this this is like a major

1313
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,880
discovery for like the entire world and

1314
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,280
and some of us in the ufo community kind

1315
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,359
of jumped out and we're like holy crap

1316
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,880
um

1317
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,520
uh you know for me personally i you know

1318
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,880
i was i'm

1319
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,480
completely honored

1320
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:17,680
that that dr nolan allowed me to

1321
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,559
to

1322
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,960
write the article you know and

1323
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,839
i got to privately interview him with

1324
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,000
him and correspond with him

1325
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,720
and make sure i got everything right you

1326
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,240
know i ran it by him said is this

1327
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:32,400
correct is this correct and he you know

1328
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:33,200
he

1329
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,119
um was super um you know cooperative and

1330
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,559
and kind of

1331
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:41,280
letting this information come out and

1332
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,630
yeah amazing stuff really amazing stuff

1333
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,200
uh sean

1334
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,280
here well i see this comment here light

1335
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,520
sound and frequency

1336
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,680
oh yeah right and that's a nikola tesla

1337
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,520
thing too if you go back to nikola tesla

1338
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,040
he said the same exact thing

1339
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,440
absolutely yeah yeah back in the 30s so

1340
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:06,640
okay so

1341
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,559
so in this ross coulthard uh documentary

1342
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,599
there's there um bryce zabel recounted

1343
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,400
the story and he's recounted this before

1344
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,520
um bryce abel he's a he's a he lives in

1345
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,920
hollywood he lives in l.a he's a he's uh

1346
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,160
he's a producer he used to be the

1347
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,960
chairman of the emmys board

1348
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,720
right and um

1349
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,599
and he back in the 90s he produced a

1350
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,599
show called dark skies

1351
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,599
uh there's an unrelated show called dark

1352
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,359
skies that happened later he did this

1353
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,359
one in the 90s that was called dark

1354
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,160
skies and it was very much of the time

1355
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,920
in terms of kind of like

1356
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,240
like like twin peaks or x-files and

1357
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,680
things like that it was another show

1358
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,319
along those lines and he talks about the

1359
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,319
situation where it was basically like

1360
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,880
the premiere party like um they'd finish

1361
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,240
the pilot

1362
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,400
and so it's like a cast and crew wrap

1363
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,319
party it sounded like for the pilot

1364
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,160
rather than the full season

1365
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,720
yeah and they were at bryce abel's house

1366
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,359
and this dude walks up

1367
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:09,200
um from out of nowhere

1368
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,760
and uh and he says uh to bryce and this

1369
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,319
guy was his name brent i think it was

1370
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,640
yeah yeah who shows up in the

1371
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:21,280
documentary that they just put out and

1372
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:22,480
and

1373
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,520
know i kind of represent a wing

1374
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,680
within the government i think it was

1375
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,520
right and he i mean it comes out over

1376
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,240
time that this dude was

1377
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,240
saying that he was willing to give

1378
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,599
information

1379
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,240
to the writers and producers of the dark

1380
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,920
skies show

1381
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,200
um

1382
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,920
uh to kind of like seed

1383
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,440
you know knowledge

1384
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,200
or something like that about to drip out

1385
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,200
some truth and i believe i don't know if

1386
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,720
they discovered it afterwards or he

1387
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,319
straight out told him that he was with

1388
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,319
the office of naval intelligence

1389
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,240
oh that's right that's right yeah and so

1390
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,400
he was talking about this really he was

1391
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,720
he was talking about the aviary which is

1392
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,000
something that we've talked about on the

1393
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,079
show before and comes up frequently

1394
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,400
within the lore of ufology

1395
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,839
that kind of

1396
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,720
it's it's akin to the invisible college

1397
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,160
this kind of like shadowy group of

1398
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,160
individuals that that are associated

1399
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:18,160
with each other called the aviary and

1400
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,839
then this guy in this conversation was

1401
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,200
saying that there was a competing group

1402
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,480
called the aquarium

1403
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,160
right i think i've never heard of that

1404
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,680
one before have you

1405
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,839
you corey yeah i've only heard it

1406
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,920
mentioned i never actually

1407
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,079
you know heard i guess it's like an

1408
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,280
equivalent to

1409
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,680
to the aviary

1410
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,400
i've never actually like read a thing on

1411
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,400
it or heard anybody talk about it in any

1412
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,880
depth like it was the avery kind of

1413
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,960
trying to keep it quiet the aquarium was

1414
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,480
trying to push back and get it out in

1415
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,680
the open or something like that i

1416
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,839
believe right

1417
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,520
yeah i was going to say i i've heard it

1418
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,160
almost the opposite though but

1419
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,680
yeah and and

1420
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,440
i know a lot of the aviary and i would

1421
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,200
probably concur with that

1422
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,200
right yeah it's weird because like the

1423
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,160
aviary allegedly yeah we know people

1424
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,319
that are associated with the aviary and

1425
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,200
like that in this conversation

1426
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,760
what bryce and brent were recounting was

1427
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:13,200
that this guy

1428
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,079
um

1429
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,760
you know who kind of mysteriously showed

1430
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,920
up at this party and i can tell you like

1431
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:19,920
this is not the only time within this

1432
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:22,960
field that i've heard stories or like

1433
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,160
you know have like on very very good

1434
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,920
account that you know somebody

1435
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,000
mysteriously shows up at a party and is

1436
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,319
talking like this it happens a lot

1437
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,200
weirdly all right but like um or more

1438
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,280
frequently than you might think so this

1439
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,040
guy shows up and then he's talking to

1440
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,280
them and he's like okay anyway

1441
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,520
um and he was particularly bothered by

1442
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,599
one aspect of the script where like the

1443
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,440
aliens were infecting people basically

1444
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,880
like a parasite through the mouth and he

1445
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:50,079
was like it doesn't work like that and

1446
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,040
they're like what are you talking about

1447
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,200
man it doesn't matter it's a tv show

1448
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,160
so um then he scrolls something on like

1449
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,000
a napkin or a piece of paper

1450
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,720
and it's like a formula and he hands it

1451
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,880
to one of them and he's like he's like

1452
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,640
put this in a safety deposit box or a

1453
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,400
safe or something like that get it back

1454
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,640
out in 15 or 20 years and see if it

1455
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,920
means anything

1456
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,079
to you and they were like what and he

1457
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,400
said it it's to do with light sound and

1458
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,520
frequency which is as james was saying

1459
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,280
like an old

1460
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,839
an old chestnut associated with nikola

1461
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,079
tesla way back in the day

1462
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,240
who he himself

1463
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,040
nikola tesla professed early in his

1464
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,000
adult career as as thinking that he had

1465
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,520
contact with intelligence uh

1466
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:37,280
beings that were not

1467
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:38,800
um you know

1468
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,359
that were beyond our civilization right

1469
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,520
that he kind of credited them

1470
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,520
with uh some of his some of his

1471
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,680
knowledge or some of his discoveries and

1472
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:49,280
so that's kind of like weirdly

1473
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:50,960
interestingly dovetailing with some

1474
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,640
other people um with regard to say gary

1475
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,119
and other people that were detailed in

1476
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,359
diana posalka's wonderful book american

1477
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,720
cosmic right

1478
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,480
yeah it was really cool

1479
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,839
i was going to say she announced that

1480
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,599
she's going to do a class on tyler's

1481
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,240
protocols i think in september that

1482
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,640
sounds fascinating yeah i think it

1483
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,960
starts in the middle of next month right

1484
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,480
yes

1485
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:17,040
yeah i'm really looking forward to that

1486
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,319
it'll be really cool

1487
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,400
but then the guy disappeared like homer

1488
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,119
and the meme the guy like yeah

1489
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,520
bryce and brent said that the guy he's

1490
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,599
like okay anyway bye guys and then he

1491
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,839
like literally walked into the bushes

1492
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,000
like it's bryce's house and then the guy

1493
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,920
just like walks into the bushes next to

1494
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,240
bryce's house and disappears

1495
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,599
which i think is like one of the funnest

1496
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,839
and funniest details of the whole story

1497
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
i think that part of the story you

1498
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,040
probably made up because in reality he

1499
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,280
got into like an old toyota tercel or

1500
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,760
something and it wasn't that glorious no

1501
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:50,720
just kidding

1502
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,839
and then he drove right through the

1503
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,839
bushes yeah i mean we'll probably hear

1504
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,920
about all that um

1505
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,240
in more detail soon

1506
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,160
yeah i hope so i hope so that would be

1507
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,520
cool yeah

1508
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,559
um what's coming up for you next you got

1509
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:07,440
any big interviews coming james oh my

1510
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,640
god man so i i have a

1511
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,760
tom delong is next or what i know no no

1512
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,920
i i haven't gotten in touch with tom i

1513
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,680
don't think he'd want to talk to me

1514
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,559
oh

1515
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,960
i have an well he you know he's he does

1516
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:23,040
i think he's he's you know purposely

1517
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,079
doing

1518
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,079
the music show and side of things

1519
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,680
because that's that's he's really trying

1520
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,920
to reach those like millions of fans

1521
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,760
kind of thing he he probably figures

1522
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:33,520
like us we're like oh we already into

1523
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,799
all the stuff we're just gonna argue

1524
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,760
with him

1525
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,640
um which i get you know what i mean but

1526
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,680
yeah it's super fun to listen to tom uh

1527
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:44,400
and i don't agree with like

1528
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,920
a number of things that he says but i

1529
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,480
always find his perspective fascinating

1530
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,880
um and he has a like a really fun way of

1531
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,720
talking about it so that's cool

1532
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,599
um

1533
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,079
but i i generally have a like a modus

1534
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,680
operandi

1535
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,359
of

1536
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,599
i don't really announce like things like

1537
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,359
the shows i'm going to do or if i'm

1538
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,880
interviewing people

1539
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:05,839
so

1540
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:12,470
jay

1541
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,760
yeah

1542
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,000
what a disappointment i mean it's not

1543
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,000
why that's not that's not what i but

1544
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,599
this one is going to be different it's

1545
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,280
it's going to be more about like how can

1546
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,040
i have that kind of hair

1547
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,559
like i'm trying to get it ready for

1548
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:26,960
october october 8th you're going to see

1549
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,079
a new james you want this kind of man

1550
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,680
all right

1551
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,599
i got a guy for you i got his number i

1552
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,119
don't have it in me i don't have it in

1553
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:36,960
me i couldn't do it if i wanted

1554
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,680
his name's jackie he's awesome

1555
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,119
yeah i can't picture you with that kind

1556
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,040
of hair that'd be interesting

1557
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,960
my hair's like really thick it's like

1558
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,640
thick uh

1559
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,559
it wouldn't grow like that

1560
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,920
um but i know i do i do have a number of

1561
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,440
um

1562
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,359
interviews that are are planned i don't

1563
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,200
have a set date on them

1564
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,119
um

1565
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,680
yeah but one of them is is is going to

1566
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,599
be i think really

1567
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,799
um

1568
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,160
it's going to be kind of like a deep

1569
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:08,960
dive it's going to have to do with like

1570
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:11,920
intelligence agencies the occult and the

1571
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:14,960
phenomenon experiencers consciousness

1572
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,839
um and that that one i mean again people

1573
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,200
kind of know me for that anyways but

1574
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,839
that one is going to be a real deep dive

1575
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,880
um i don't have a data on that yet but

1576
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,960
there's there's also a number of shows

1577
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,400
that i have

1578
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,920
planned to talk with a number of people

1579
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,680
that i just haven't set the date for and

1580
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,280
it's like a matter of my schedule kids

1581
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,720
are getting back into school in like a

1582
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,040
week and a half so i gotta manage all

1583
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,200
that and um

1584
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:41,839
but i i have stuff coming but i'm really

1585
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,040
excited mostly about the the event on

1586
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,599
october october 8th that's really i mean

1587
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:49,119
we're still you know going to be putting

1588
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,240
into that

1589
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,160
and um

1590
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,880
and i'm really excited about that

1591
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,599
i can't wait it's going to be crazy i uh

1592
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,440
james and i are talking about this

1593
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,920
literally every day now because there's

1594
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:03,119
so much

1595
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,880
you know to plan

1596
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,240
and so and some of it is like

1597
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,559
mind-numbingly boring like certificates

1598
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,480
of insurance and like weird stuff that

1599
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,240
like nobody nobody ever wants to hear

1600
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,160
about but like you have to do if you're

1601
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,240
gonna pull off something like this and

1602
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,200
but it's absolutely worth it because um

1603
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:23,200
you know putting discussions together

1604
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,240
like this

1605
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,640
among like important folks

1606
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,040
it's it's it's really key and it's a

1607
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,760
really really amazing excuse to get

1608
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,359
people in the community together in

1609
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,599
person you know yeah and i don't feel

1610
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,359
like it happens enough

1611
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,680
yeah for sure i mean again i'm we're

1612
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,040
encouraging

1613
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:44,079
uh you know ufo supper club to be like

1614
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,960
uh

1615
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,720
a ufo community

1616
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,440
or anomalous experienced community

1617
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,720
you know tradition

1618
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,799
so we want everybody having supper clubs

1619
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,520
out there getting together in person

1620
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,280
talking about these things and branching

1621
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,680
out i mean look at me and jay right

1622
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,760
we're just kind of doing this together

1623
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,839
for a few months and we're already like

1624
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,000
making an impact on our local community

1625
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,319
by bringing the conversation there

1626
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,720
some the same same thing can be done in

1627
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:13,359
in florida or milwaukee or you know

1628
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,400
wherever

1629
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,319
i mean it's it's just really fortunate

1630
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,160
and lucky that me and jay are close

1631
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,000
enough and we're both kind of

1632
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,319
experiencers and beautiful researchers

1633
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,799
consciousness people it just worked out

1634
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:27,200
well that way we got kind of lucky

1635
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,119
yeah yeah um but by you know people can

1636
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,200
do be doing this all over the country

1637
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:36,000
and impacting their local communities

1638
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:37,280
and

1639
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:42,000
you get the conversation going on on the

1640
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,280
grassroots

1641
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:45,520
level on word of mouth

1642
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,880
um it's still a real thing you know um

1643
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,880
so i think more people should be doing

1644
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,480
your close upper clubs

1645
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:55,119
um and and just one thing i did i did

1646
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,319
remember that

1647
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,240
is not like an interview per se but me

1648
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,960
and jay can talk about this is wait jay

1649
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,400
you know what i'm going to say

1650
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,960
sure yeah i think i do is it about women

1651
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,720
is it about the monroe

1652
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,680
yeah yeah

1653
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,119
i know you say

1654
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,480
okay you do it yeah so you're the guy

1655
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,440
again jay jay had mentioned

1656
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,079
i have i have about 17 years of like

1657
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,480
formal meditation practice

1658
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,200
um where i've mostly done traditional

1659
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,799
types of meditation

1660
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,400
um

1661
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:29,119
ver mostly eastern base is is where i

1662
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,559
learned because i tried to go to the

1663
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,319
root of these kind of

1664
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,920
practices and

1665
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,680
you know a lot of it is

1666
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:37,839
you know goes back to

1667
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,839
um ancient practices in sanskrit

1668
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,440
tradition uh buddhism and yoga and those

1669
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,319
kind of things and you know

1670
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,280
i stick to a few mainly but i i i've

1671
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,440
dabbled with many of them

1672
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,720
and

1673
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:55,680
over the years i mean i actually found

1674
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,119
hemisink and monroe institute

1675
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,319
uh i want to say in like maybe 2008 or

1676
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:03,920
2009

1677
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,799
and so i wanted to do a video

1678
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:09,119
and an entire kind of like experience

1679
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,559
where we can kind of bring the audience

1680
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:11,680
with us

1681
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:12,880
in doing

1682
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,160
what is called the gateway process

1683
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,400
which is also known at hemisync as the

1684
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,319
gateway experience

1685
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,040
and so yeah the gateway process

1686
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,359
there was a document by the cia looking

1687
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,799
into all this

1688
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,359
um looking into hemisync technology and

1689
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,760
and how that can be applied to

1690
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:33,839
intelligence services and

1691
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,799
you know consciousness studies basically

1692
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,319
and

1693
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,040
i i've i've experimented with hemisync

1694
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,119
technology before because i actually

1695
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,040
found hemisync when i was reading dr

1696
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,440
stephen grier's first book early on he

1697
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,880
mentions hemisink in the monroe

1698
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,960
institute so i

1699
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:53,040
even early on when i found that i

1700
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,240
researched them

1701
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,160
and i came across the stuff and i

1702
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:57,839
practiced with it i was like wow this is

1703
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,880
really cool um and and generally i think

1704
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,200
that with binaural beats or binaural

1705
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,480
tones

1706
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,559
uh i think you can you should sparsely

1707
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,240
use them you don't want to use it as a

1708
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,799
crutch and monroe actually they address

1709
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,880
that in the in the manual for their

1710
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,760
stuff

1711
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,039
and they kind of say no it's not a

1712
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,760
crutch but people who usually do it

1713
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,440
branch out they they say that in other

1714
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,880
words basically

1715
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:23,119
but i wanted to do a thing where i do

1716
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,400
hemisync

1717
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,280
um the gateway experience proper

1718
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,960
you know as somebody who's already had

1719
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,720
like all this kind of experience with

1720
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,480
meditation like what is it going to be

1721
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,200
like for me and and um so i'm going to

1722
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:37,119
do a video with jay where we're going to

1723
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,559
talk about that

1724
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,640
and then we'll do one like

1725
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:42,319
months down the road

1726
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,839
uh talking about maybe what our

1727
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,240
experience was with it or you know what

1728
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,720
we thought about it and so on

1729
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:50,559
cool absolutely like absolutely i can't

1730
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,680
wait

1731
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,079
yep because one one big project isn't

1732
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,720
enough you just gotta load on the

1733
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,760
right

1734
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,400
not at all yeah well done we didn't tell

1735
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,720
everybody about the other ones either so

1736
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:05,039
oh yeah you know that that's we got a

1737
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:06,559
yeah the one

1738
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:09,039
one or two one and a half at a time we

1739
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,400
gotta we gotta

1740
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,760
we gotta drip out that kind of

1741
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:13,599
disclosure we'll do it too it'll be

1742
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,400
great

1743
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,319
well i had a wonderful time talking with

1744
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,240
you two you guys are really great and

1745
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:21,039
really positive and i think um

1746
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,480
you know bring a lot of knowledge to

1747
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:24,960
this community people like myself really

1748
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,640
rely on um being somewhat newer here

1749
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,559
um so i'm really appreciative of you

1750
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,400
guys it's awesome that you guys

1751
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,559
were able to meet through all this ufo

1752
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,640
twitter stuff and and put on these

1753
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:38,319
wonderful events and

1754
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,240
and and really

1755
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,559
lift up the community even more as a

1756
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,720
pair so i'm grateful for that i can't

1757
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,640
wait to see the successes that you two

1758
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,559
bring together and talk to you about

1759
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,799
that and um yeah i'm really looking

1760
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:52,480
forward to it but

1761
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,520
we are out of time so before we get out

1762
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:57,440
of here is there anything anyone else

1763
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,680
wanted to cover or talk about or say or

1764
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:01,680
anything like that

1765
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,520
i just want to say i love i love both of

1766
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,440
you guys i think you're both great and i

1767
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,839
love i love i love hanging out with both

1768
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:09,839
of you i i love working with both of you

1769
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,799
i like collaborating talking about

1770
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:14,799
talking about all the issues with both

1771
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,400
of you i i it and i was so excited when

1772
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:20,079
i figured out earlier today that we're

1773
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,200
all going to be hanging out together

1774
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,039
today rules

1775
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,039
yeah absolutely wonderful yeah yeah

1776
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,520
definitely and i i you know i'm glad you

1777
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,960
invited me here

1778
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,760
um

1779
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,280
and i i really

1780
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,119
appreciate the

1781
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,039
the idea and the ability for us to be

1782
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,200
able to come together and connect

1783
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,520
and and create something that's greater

1784
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,280
um but we can only do that when we're

1785
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,680
together you know if it was just me

1786
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,359
doing whatever i'm not putting on this

1787
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,680
conference i'm not having a live stream

1788
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,359
like this i'm not doing any of the

1789
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,359
things i'm basically singing sitting in

1790
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,359
my backyard having contact talking about

1791
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,000
it to myself you know um but you know

1792
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,920
when when people like us and come

1793
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,599
together i mean again

1794
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,920
you know we have you know

1795
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,000
the cooperation and people lifting up

1796
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,799
the community of like dr nolan coming

1797
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,720
out you know to new york to participate

1798
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,960
in an event like this exo academian you

1799
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,640
know they're all these people are coming

1800
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,680
together

1801
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,039
you know

1802
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:18,160
yeah ralph blumenthal yeah yeah legend

1803
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,440
legendary journalist the guy who who

1804
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,119
broke you know

1805
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:25,599
with leslie kane and holding right broke

1806
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,480
the 8-tip story like broke down the the

1807
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,480
first line of defense for the secrecy

1808
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,960
you know they really

1809
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,000
seriously you know yeah um yeah so it's

1810
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,000
great when people can can come together

1811
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:40,960
like that and help make something better

1812
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,160
absolutely yep well i love my time with

1813
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:47,520
you and uh we'll all be watching for

1814
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,599
tickets for the event and hopefully a

1815
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,200
lot of us will be able to go and check

1816
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,720
it out and

1817
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,720
um look forward to seeing more of your

1818
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:56,640
interviews james everybody go

1819
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,960
um check out his youtube and subscribe i

1820
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:00,799
put all their links in the description

1821
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,440
of the stuff jay i'll see you again real

1822
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,760
soon i know absolutely

1823
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,160
and i can't wait for that and um we'll

1824
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,119
get some more discussion on so until

1825
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:13,200
then

1826
01:06:18,590 --> 01:06:14,559
love you guys

1827
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:18,600
bye